352: Jake Hutt: Knocking off the DUST of Traditional Golf Instruction

Jake Hutt Golf

Guest: Jake Hutt: Golf Instructor, Content Creator, Co-Founder at Dryvebox
Host: Jeff Pelizzaro
Episode Number: 352
Podcast: The 18STRONG Podcast
Partners: Linksoul, 1stPhorm


Prepare to be inspired as we deep-dive into the dynamic world of golf innovation with none other than Jake Hut, the co-founder of Dryvebox. This episode is a gold mine of insights, taking you from Jake’s humble beginnings as a golf instructor to his incredible journey as a successful entrepreneur. Alongside, you’ll uncover the secret sauce behind his unique teaching style, enriching philosophies, and the revolutionary concept behind Dryvebox – a portable driving range equipped with Trackman.

Get ready to fuel your passion for golf as we peel back the layers on Dryvebox’s groundbreaking approach. With Dryvebox, golfers gain effortless access to comprehensive stats and data, completely skipping the need to check into a traditional golf club. Not just that, Jake takes us through the rental process, the strategic partnerships Dryvebox is forming with golf courses and the creative process that makes his content truly one-of-a-kind.

We’ve also got a special treat for all you beginners and seasoned golfers out there. Jake shares his personal tips and reveals common mistakes golfers make on their journey. Also, discover the influence of other sports on golf swing and how different athletes can adapt their body mechanics to improve their golf performance. Plus, you won’t want to miss the part where Jake shares about his journey to becoming a golf celebrity. So come along, this episode promises to be a roller-coaster ride of learning, growth, and entertainment.

Main Topics

(0:00:04) – Starting a Portable Driving Range Franchise
Co-founder Jake Hutt discusses Dryvebox, content creation, teaching style, golf improvement, and Drivebox’s uses and market.

(0:12:39) – Full Membership Benefits and Content Creation
Dryvebox provides an alternative to traditional driving ranges and golf clubs, allowing golfers to access stats and data, rent courses, and create content.

(0:19:51) – Becoming a Golf Celebrity
Jake Hutt shares his journey from golf instructor to entrepreneur, discussing successful habits, learning from failure, and Dryvebox, an alternative to traditional driving ranges.

(0:25:11) – Finding Inspiration and Simplifying Concepts
Jake Hutt draws inspiration from various sources to simplify complex concepts, and Dryvebox provides an alternative to traditional golfing.

(0:32:49) – Golfers’ Common Mistakes and Tips
We discuss golfers’ challenges, Dryvebox’s help, remembering techniques with melody and word, course environment’s effect on thinking, and thank Live Pure partners.

(0:37:03) – Golf Path and Face Importance
Understanding path and face to improve golf game, trusting the process and being aware of small changes for unexpected results.

(0:47:23) – Teaching Golf to Beginners
Jake Hutt shares insights on teaching without verbal cues, fatigue, Harvey Penick, intent, path/face, and Dryvebox.

(0:54:29) – Sports’ Influence on the Golf Swing
Players use different techniques and body mechanics to create speed and power, while trusting the process and putting in the work for unexpected results.

(0:59:40) – Exploring Athlete Types and Golf Performance
Football and golf players need different physical abilities, intent and understanding of path and face to hit the ball, and Jake Hutt’s experience teaching without verbal cues.

(1:03:26) – Music, Slang, and Golf Course Favorites
Jake Hutt shares his experience of using creative words, slang, and his definition of ‘dusty’, as well as discussing the sickest courses he’s played this year.

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0:00:04 – Jeff Pelizzaro
The 18STRONG podcast, episode number 352 with Jake Hutt, golf instructor and co-founder of Dryvebox. What’s up guys? Welcome back to the 18STRONG podcast, where we are here to help you build a stronger game, and this week I’m very excited to have our buddy, jake Hutt, from Jake Hutt Golf, on the show again. Jake is not only a prolific content creator and golf instructor that you’ve probably seen on Instagram or YouTube or one of the social media platforms, but also the co-founder of Dryvebox, which is basically a portable driving range equipped with Trackman all the different stats that you’re looking at being able to either work with a pro on remote location, add a golf course, do events and Dryvebox is kind of taking off all over the place. They’re starting to franchise these things. So in this episode we talk with Jake. First of all, just the trials and tribulations of starting a new company and what they’ve gone through with Dryvebox, the different iterations of the actual mobile unit that they’re using and how they’re utilizing it in different ways and learning every day from their people that from their franchisees, from their instructors, on how to utilize these things and what people are loving about them. Then we talk about just Jake’s content creation. What’s it like a day in the life of as Jake Hutt. How does he put all of this content together? Where do the ideas come from? What’s the process that he uses? And then we talk, obviously, a little bit about golf and he works with a ton of golfers still. So he’s giving instructions and we talk about his teaching style and his philosophies and really going to a lot of different ideas on how do you get better at golf. What are some of the things that he sees and what are the simplest things, the one or two things that he sees that can make the biggest difference in your game. So we’re going to get into all that with Jake Hutt right after this.

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Oh man I how long ago, was that I was.

0:03:04 – Jake Hutt
I meant to look it up it’s been two years I think I mean, you guys were just starting Okay, so we maybe had like one box.

0:03:12 – Jeff Pelizzaro
It was just the one, I believe.

0:03:13 – Jake Hutt
Okay, awesome, yeah, we, that was our prototype. What we were doing is we were just experimenting with it. So we’d hop in it and we’d literally, like we go give lessons in San Francisco, we’d pull up to your house, we’d park on, like you know, the side of the street and bike lanes, people would pop out of their house, we do a lesson, and we’d bring it down to Stanford and experiment with it with students, just to see how you know, if people liked it, if people were having fun, and you know, just, you know 10 billion different learnings from it. What can we make better? What can we? You know, the screen in the back was still like wires everywhere and there was a you know, a crappy hitting air. It was just it was. It was a super prototype. The ceilings were too low and we’d stuck like Walmart sightings on the side and all that.

And so now I guess, fast forward, whatever we’ll say, two years, we’ve got 12 boxes. We just hit go on franchising two days ago. So we’re out, you know, selling these things. I haven’t even really made the announcement yet. We’ve had just the big list of people that are interested. So we’ve kind of just been calling the people who’ve been trying to get their hands on one of these for the last two years.

We are in what do we have? Four boxes in California. We’ve got a couple in Utah, salt Lake City. A golf course. Out there is leasing one Tiger Woods’ new course where he just broke ground, I guess, I don’t know, I don’t even know how long ago, but we have a box up there where you can go and essentially Trackman has that course all mapped out so you can go out and play it, just you know there. And then Launch and Vero Beach in Florida, texas, and I think by the end of the year we should have five more. And then yeah, and then so yeah, it’s just, it’s a franchise now and so it’s. If you’re interested, give us a shout.

0:05:08 – Jeff Pelizzaro
And I mean, do you guys have any region restrictions or you guys kind of going all across the US and whoever contacts?

0:05:13 – Jake Hutt
you and then all right. Yep, yeah, it just essentially depends on how many people are in the surrounding area. The more people, the more expensive it is.

0:05:22 – Jeff Pelizzaro
Gotcha Sweet. So, first of all, how do people just email you? They just go on Instagram, send you a direct message. What’s the best way, yeah?

0:05:32 – Jake Hutt
So if you go to Dryveboxcom there is a franchise section. It’s super easy to navigate with all the contact information. You just essentially just shoot us an email with the information on it and we contact you and go from there.

0:05:44 – Jeff Pelizzaro
So who would you say has been kind of your biggest market, like certain type of golfers, golf courses Is it? Are you still doing a lot of parties and things like that, like what’s been your most successful thing and really even your most enjoyable piece of it? I?

0:06:00 – Jake Hutt
mean it’s. That’s a good question. I don’t know what. The everywhere is a little different. So, like I mean, we’ve done everything from you know your birthday party to a lesson on the side of the road, which we don’t do that anymore. We still do the birthday parties and whatnot, but we’ve also done.

We are at the Genesis Invitational last two years will be this year again, whole 14, they do a big build out around the players lounge which is just one of the coolest places to watch golf. It’s free. You got all the the Genesis cars all lined up, you know beautiful stage and they got the big TV on the side. You go in closest to the pin. What hole is it? Hole? Like 16 is behind you. Like we were this last year. I think Tiger did play in it this last year. He was on the green behind us and a kid made a hole in one with him in the background. It was pretty cool and it’s just yeah, it’s just a. It’s a cool experience.

So like we’ve we’re at the women’s us open, I think three years ago. So like you’ve got people you know hitting golf shots and they’re watching golf. It’s like what’s the one thing you want to do when you’re watching golf, you want to hit balls, right. So that’s been fun to like, be. You know, just being able to, to walk around these tournaments and have, have the box there has just been awesome. And then just seeing how people like our, our first guy, our first partner, brandon, who’s a PGA member in South Carolina he was the first person we gave a box to. He was like our guinea pig and so he’s been teaching, you know lessons out of that and you know bringing it to bars and everyone does it a little different. You know we’ve got a guy in Vasalia in central California who you know smaller town but he knows everyone and so he’s got all these birthday parties lined up and he does club fitting so he’ll bring it over to your house and you know he’ll fix all your clubs, fix your line goals, re-grip all your.

You know everything while you’re in there. You know hitting balls, having fun with your buddies, and and then, yeah, you know Florida, they do it a little different Houston, texas, the markets a little different. So everyone’s just kind of still finding their way figuring out how to. You know how to sell and what’s fun and what works and what doesn’t. So still very. We’re still very young, very new, but it’s a. It’s really really cool giving someone, I guess, having a product, having something like that, messing around with it and then expanding, and then seeing how other people, what they come up with and lots of stuff that we, you know, we’d never thought of, that they’re doing, they’re killing it and so it’s. It’s super cool.

0:08:24 – Jeff Pelizzaro
Yeah, super versatile and being able to learn from the people that are using it. So what? Obviously new business, right Startup? What have been some of the trials tribulations? Obviously, you said that you started with the first box and you guys have made a ton of adjustments. I mean, I think it was just originally just a regular 18 wheel tractor trailer bed right.

0:08:45 – Jake Hutt
It’s always been custom, so we had to custom design the space, the slide outs, and that’s I mean, that’s our IP essentially is is that you know, we’ve got solar panels, solar power, on top, so that was something that definitely didn’t come with with the original one. We found this battery guy who, you know, does all the crazy installation it gets made at the factory, then it gets sent to the guy who does the battery and then it gets shipped off to to the people. And we’ve had some issues you know, with I mean everything right, everything. Things have gone right, things have gone wrong. Every box is a is a new. You know, it’s always a new learning experience. There’s always something that that either, that goes wrong, that didn’t previously go wrong.

We’ve had, like the manufacturers at at the, the first spot we were getting it made from, they didn’t tighten the lug nuts on one of the wheels so the wheel would fly in off two hours into like a two week long road trip. So we had to navigate that. That was fun. Literally just freeway tire gone. So that was, that was fun. Stuck on the side of the road for a couple hours. We were, everything was fine, everything was okay. It definitely the we were fine, the trailer was fine, but yeah, that was just like a. You know, we don’t work with them anymore for a reason, right, right.

0:10:09 – Jeff Pelizzaro
And then you’re saying you’re actually at HQ. Which HQ?

0:10:13 – Jake Hutt
HQ yeah.

0:10:14 – Jeff Pelizzaro
And you’ve got a couple of hitting bays there, so do you give a lot of lessons there? Is that primarily where you’re teaching, or are you at a course as well?

0:10:22 – Jake Hutt
Yeah, so no course, I was at Stanford for almost seven years and then COVID hit and then I co-founded this company essentially a deal, the founder of the company, he needed a golf guy and so he took a lesson from me and he was going around, you know, taking lessons from people all over looking for a co-founder, kind of like an undercover type deal. You know what I mean. And so apparently I gave him a good enough lesson. He pitched me the idea halfway through and we’ve just been running with it since. So I’m here in San Francisco once a week at Lincoln Park and then two days a week I’m down in Palo Alto where we have a box that essentially just lives as a single hitting bay. So the concept with that is you get a box and you go out, you do all these events with it and when it’s not being used you can park it and we’ve got, essentially, you book, and then you get a code and you can essentially use that bay 24 seven. It’s like you know, if you’re, you go up, show up with your clubs, type it in and it’s your hitting bay. You’ve got the music, you’ve got the lights, you’ve got the track man, and I’m also working on content essentially. So I’m kind of like trying to make it kind of like a Peloton where you’ve got because I teach with data, like I like track man, data, path, face, you know what makes the ball fly.

Just most people, like a lot of you know young professionals, they come in, they’re practicing once a week, playing once a week at most, so we’re not messing around with what their swing looks like. It’s like oftentimes just a couple of subtle tweaks, couple of subtle changes and I’m just like you don’t need me, you need. You just need the data. Once you understand it, you know it may take a few sessions and then here’s a whole boatload of content that you know here.

If you need to change low point, if you need to change face, if you need to change path, if you want to bring your spin rate down, if you want to bring your loft down, your ball flight down, you can. Obviously you can look at it when you’re in the box, you can bring it home with you and you go and you just get you know mess around with it. So that’s been really cool, just having that there and that’s probably 10 minutes away from where I live, so easy for me there. I’m about an hour south of San Francisco and so, yeah, we’re still trying to make that product, the self operational product, awesome and great so that, when it’s not being used, people still you know you can sell this.

0:12:39 – Jeff Pelizzaro
A full membership, yeah, so I mean, that’s what so many people you know, I know here in St Louis. I mean, if you don’t belong to a club, you’re then going to the local Munee or the driving range, but you don’t have access to the kind of stats and statistics you know, all the data, all the track stuff. So to have a box just sitting where you can schedule your, your session, you can go code it in, then you can just go pop your well, you don’t even need your buds because you guys have the music and you go kind of work on your own stuff, that’s pretty sweet.

0:13:09 – Jake Hutt
Yeah, and you’re just like you’re just in another world, right, there’s no one else, you don’t need to hear anyone else hitting beside you, you don’t need to. You know, check in anywhere. You’re just like, you can park the thing anywhere and it’s just. It’s such a cool vibe because, like I mean, it literally could be in a parking lot, it could be. Again, everyone kind of figures out where that place is. Like there, you know the rent is here. It’s a little bit more expensive than most places, but, like you’re, all you need is a, you know, a pretty tiny plot of land. Like you’re paying. You know with your brick and mortar spot you’re paying, obviously a lot to break ground. You know bang walls through and you know building all that. That’s a lot of overhead with this thing. It’s just you know 500 bucks a month and park it there and then you’re done. You want to move it around and you know sell whatever, and you can do that too.

We do have golf courses that lease it as well. So, like some will lease it for three months, five months, depending on how long the winter is, or sometime it’s a summer. Pull up, have it, it’s in and then it’s out and you don’t have to build anything. So we’re learning constantly. You know we get we’re at a number of different golf courses, in, in, I think we’re yeah, arizona, Utah. So it’s it’s, we’re all over. There’s a lot going on, it’s, it’s fun.

0:14:27 – Jeff Pelizzaro
That’s sweet. So, talking about content, obviously you know you are a prolific content creator and I’m always so amazed when I watch your stuff. You know the editing that you do, the music you do all of it. I would love to know what does a day in the life, and you actually did a little bit of a video on this recently. But day in the life of Jay Cut. What does?

it look like you know you’re running a business. You’re teaching some lessons. You’re working on your you know, working on dry box. You’re working on your content. Do you have it pretty structured out and laid out the way you you post it in the video Is it? Is it that regimented?

0:15:03 – Jake Hutt
Yeah, I mean it’s it’s always changing. So, like I mean, I have a calendar with everything on it that needs to get done for that day, but every day is just so different. Like we’re going, we’re taking the sense of doing a road show coming up, so I’ll be on the road for two weeks and so you know we’ve got. You know that’s. That’s like if I’m out launching a market, you know, like I was just in Vero Beach most recently, which is, you know, flying out there running around with the box filming everything for marketing purposes for them, teaching them how to use it, just getting to know them. And then, you know, so there’s kind of like life on the road and there’s life at home where, yeah, it’s a mixture of of teaching, I mean. So I guess like trying to think like it’s Tuesday, wednesday, thursday, I’m teaching, right, and then I’ll wake up and I’ll, you know, edit as much as I can.

I work with a lot of different brands, so I owe different brands, different videos, and I’m always trying to integrate whatever brand I’m working with in the most organic way possible. I just hate ads and you know everyone hates ads, so it’s that’s been a really fun challenge for me. Is is learning to partner with these brands and make actual, enjoyable, fun content. That isn’t, you know, that’s that’s still me but also they’re happy with and that’s definitely forced me to just to, to learn to make different stuff, like I. I did one like where I was at a restaurant my buddy just opened up as a third restaurant in San Francisco, so it’s like I want to bring the camera out there and just see, you know, film a bunch of B-roll and see if I can tell a story, see what that looks like. So I’m always trying to learn and just do different stuff and just see how it turns out and learn from it.

I, you know, I like my favorite content to make still is definitely kind of the the swing tip rap song which is, you know, evolved over time as well, With, just you know, more cuts, more arrows, more texts, more moving texts. So it’s just always everything is always just trying to just one up the thing from before. So that also means it takes longer, it takes more time. So I’ve got to, you know, make sure that I do have the enough time to create whatever that is and also have time for everything else. So it’s, it’s really every day. Yeah, it’s a mixture of of a ton of editing, and I’m, you know, also working on outsourcing that. So I’m planning on having kind of a like no, I don’t know if I don’t want to say competition, but it’s I’m going to throw out something like here is the song, here is a, you know, a drive full of whatever you know, 20, 20 gigs of footage. Put it together and let’s see who’s who’s is the best, so that I can, you know, maybe do a little bit more. So that’s kind of like. The next step for me, which is also kind of terrifying, is, like you know, starting to delegate a little bit more so that I don’t have to do all of it.

But I do love the editing process. It is so fun sitting down and like just how do I take all of this and turn it into some cohesive thing? It’s a yeah, it’s. It’s a lot of fun. You’ve got Dryvebox, which is just. You know, I do a lot of the content, a lot of the videoing for that. We’ve got lots of people much smarter than myself who are either lawyers or, you know, went to business school. So I’m learning a ton from them as well on all the calls and all the things they’re talking about. So much of it’s over my head, but it’s really cool to be, to be a part of it and I mean it’s like. It’s like going to business school. For me, this is like my business school and I get to, I get to be the golf guy and you know and help however I can.

0:18:53 – Jeff Pelizzaro
So I was wondering if you had anybody helping you yet with the video and and you know, editing stuff, because I know that that’s that’s kind of what you, what you love doing making the music and that’s the stuff that I am just terrible with. It takes me forever to do and that’s why you know we’ve got Bill behind the camera here and that kind of stuff it’s like. But you know, I would imagine that that’s the thing that you really enjoy so much that you don’t want to give too much of that away, but you have so much on your plate at the same time.

0:19:23 – Jake Hutt
I mean, I if I could, if I knew it would turn out exactly the same, like absolutely I’d have someone else do it all day. Just, I never know how it’s going to turn out. Like when I’m looking at it, I’m like I, you know, I don’t know. So I’m also really excited to see, like you know, I might send it in and like everyone else might do a better job than I do. I’m like great, cool, Like all I have to do now is film and send it to someone else and now that frees up a lot of time on my end. So that’ll be fun.

Yeah, I, as much as I do love it, it is so insanely time consuming. Editing and like it is just, I still do it all on my laptop. I don’t have a big fancy guy. That may be the next purchase that I need to make before I go blind. But yeah, like deeper, I’ve gotten into it, is it? Just it takes so much time, so much crazy focus, so you get like lost in that world and the computer screen is like oh my God, is this ever going to end?

0:20:23 – Jeff Pelizzaro
So I think we could officially say and you may not believe this yourself, but the rest of us looking from the outside in would say that you’re kind of officially a celebrity type in the golf world these days. You know, you’ve just kind of amassed huge followings on Instagram. I was just on your YouTube, about to hit, I think, 100,000 subscribers over there. When you started making some of these videos, did you ever think that you’d be working with companies like Callaway, shrixon you know all these different big brands, starting a company like Dryvebox? You know, when you were just you know giving lessons, making some cool videos, did you ever think it would be where you are right now?

0:21:02 – Jake Hutt
No, no, not a million years, I did have. I mean, like when I was kind of starting it all out, I was reading a lot, and I was reading a lot of. I bought it. I was really interested in like the habits of what really successful people were doing and so, like Tools of the Titans is a really cool book, like Tim Ferriss and kind of all of those. I was just that’s kind of like where I started. I was like you know, whatever I do, I’m going to go. You know I’m always full in, 10,000 percent committed to whatever that is.

And you know, in this case it was like all right, let’s, you know golf, and but I got a bunch of these books and I kind of studied like the habits of. I was just curious like what do successful people do Like? And I don’t know if I necessarily tried to copy them, but I did. Just, you know, I think it just exposed to me how, like, how hard people work and how much time they spend. It’s like your whole life, like you wake up early in the morning and you just work and you just like, you just go and you go and you go and you go and you go and you go. And so that like to me, was just like, okay, like I’m going to do this, like I this is, I kind of have an understanding of how hard it’s going to be and I knew it had to. You know I had to. I had to love it, because if you don’t love it, you’re just not going to put the time into it. That’s necessary. And so, like I loved reading about golf, I loved everything about, like when I was going to school. I didn’t love going to class when I was in college and so it was all like I went, but it’s like it wasn’t obsessed with it. And so golf, kind of I knew that I had that obsession similar to hockey, like when I grew up playing hockey I was completely obsessed with and I’d, you know, I’d go break into the rink at 10 o’clock and practice and like that’s like I knew what the healthy obsession, I knew what that was like. And so I was like I kind of found that in golf. And then I just, you know, just like a day by day thing, like I have so much fun doing whatever it is today, like making like the first videos I made. I just had so much fun doing it and it was just kind of a get through the day and just do it again and just do it again and do it again and just work really hard at it and see what happens.

The book that really kind of changed how I look at things was Atomic Habits, james Clear, and I remember reading that when I was early on in my doing my book work for PGA and you gave the the ice cube analogy, right where it’s like you just take an ice cube, you put it on the table and it just sits there and you look at it, doesn’t change, doesn’t change, doesn’t change and eventually it starts to melt. You don’t really you don’t really know when things are going to start to happen, but you just put the work in and you just wait for it. And that’s kind of like how I looked at everything, which is like if I just work as hard as humanly possible, like at some point the ice cube is going to melt, I’m having so much fun anyways, I don’t really care if it. You know, whatever happens happens, and so it’s really it’s crazy kind of looking back and I mean I appreciate the sentiment so much. I mean it means a lot. I could just it’s something you don’t ever think about, I think, in the back of your head, like you, you try to put in the work that you think it’ll take to have some sort of success, whatever that is, and then, along the way, you know, just trying to learn as many skills as possible.

I’ve always just been fascinated with just the learning process itself, just what does learning look like, and not being afraid of like being terrible at something, like learning this golf thing. Like grew up playing golf but I started playing really really poorly after starting to, you know, try all these different things, make a swing, look a certain way and like after being really good. You know, at a sport like hockey, where you’re not the best but you’re definitely elite, sucking at something is like I think that was probably the best thing that could ever happen to me was like sucking at something and then having to kind of come out on the other side and stick through it and learn something, like as a you know, it’s kind of. I guess I was, yeah, 25 when I started kind of this journey. I wasn’t particularly young, but I didn’t really care and I was like okay if I, if I’m okay with feeling like a complete failure and looking like an idiot, like I’m not afraid of anything, so it’s been fun. Yeah, it’s been a crazy journey.

0:25:08 – Jeff Pelizzaro
That’s exactly what I Hear. So many people say that our success one would ever like, you know what. I just kind of put my head down, did the thing, did the work and, just you know, kind of trusted the process, and all of a sudden come up for air and I’m like, oh my gosh, can’t believe. I’m, can’t believe I’m here, you know right, and I mean like professional golfers, all the, the the collegiate golfers, it’s like that’s, that’s a lesson, just to take it into the the world of golf and and performance. It’s like sometimes we just have to do that and have the faith and have the trust that I’m doing the right thing. I got to get up early, I got to do my workouts, I got to go hit the range, I got to go see Jake. I take my lesson, you know, and just put in the work, put in the work, put in the work and then eventually reap the benefits.

0:25:52 – Jake Hutt
Yeah, absolutely I mean, it’s a terrifying concept when you’re in it, like it’s almost just like For me. I just wanted to mask that, like that, that feeling of you know what am I doing with? Just I’m just gonna, I’m just gonna spend all the extra time I can working so I don’t have time to forget about how terrifying the saw is.

0:26:15 – Jeff Pelizzaro
With you when you’re putting together your content ideas. Is it like Do you sit down, like have structured time to do that, or is some of it like you’re working with a Student and you kind of figure out oh, they need help with this, or I keep seeing this. Maybe I’ll make a little piece of content on that.

0:26:31 – Jake Hutt
Oh, man, I mean, it’s, it’s just, it’s all. I’m always thinking about, Just different concepts like my like, what’s what’s really fun for me? Fastening for me is taking kind of some of the more complex concepts and trying to, you know, dumb it down and make it simple, you know, and then turn it into a song and then make, you know, make the video around that. But it’s, it’s. The inspiration comes just from absolutely everywhere, whether it’s a student, or whether I’m driving or I I’m reading. Rick Rubin just came out with a book. I don’t know how old it is, but it’s all, it’s so awesome he’s, he’s, he like. He’s like the pioneer of, like the og, producer of, like hip-hop, you like yeah, like the Beastie Boys and yeah, don’t you like so?

so his book it’s so. It’s so fascinating how he talks about like all these you know. Essentially it’s just all about like I Don’t know what the books call. It’s called like the creative something or whatever, but it’s like how he looks at it, there’s just so. I’m kind of like learning and like In, almost like reverse engineering, like different ideas I’ve had, or like, oh, like I’ve experienced that before. He just it’s just so cool.

He talks like like last night I was reading an excerpt. He was like something like letting the subconscious mind kind of come out. So he’s saying like when you’re driving, sometimes some of the best ideas will come out because your mind, your conscious mind, is on the road, so it kind of allows your subconscious to like work in this you know, mysterious way. So I think it’s just like the ideas come Everywhere, I think traveling, staying in a hotel, when you’re by yourself Driving, or sitting by yourself or whatever like it’s all. It’s all. There’s so many different great places that ideas come from. So I’m always constantly thinking and thinking about what the next thing is going to be, your drawing inspiration from something here or there or wherever I might be well to your point of trying to make things just Simplified from complex.

0:28:24 – Jeff Pelizzaro
You know topics and you do such a good job and I find myself like just growing through your, your videos and like first of all, just kind of smiling, laughing at some of your raps, and you know that the tunes and everything and it’s like. But then, like watching your content, it’s like you really do like break down some of the things so easily and you take different perspectives.

You know like sometimes you’re in your socks on your hardwood floors and showing you know, different movements and and different forces and it’s like you know, so many people learn so many different ways and they and I think that’s why sometimes people will will go to different instructors because they’ll hear something a little different and it will click with them. And what I love about your stuff is you don’t do it all the same way, you. You mix it up all the time and sometimes you’ll say something I’m like, oh, that’s, that’s the feeling, or literally. I was just talking to a golf pro here who was giving lessons in our, our gym and we were talking about how he asked me how the the shaft of the club flexes, and we were. I was talking about how, you know, we thought myself and the client he was working with we’re talking about, well, it bends like this and he’s like, no, it bends up and down.

Then you had a video talking about not because he was telling this guy like don’t ever just set your club on the ground, you know, because then you’re getting really upright and then literally I’ve been scrolling through, I’m like I sent it to both of those guys. I’m like, oh my gosh, jade just had a video about this. So you, you give it such a different perspective and you tackle so many different things. That I think is really really cool.

0:29:53 – Jake Hutt
Yeah, thank you first off. Yeah, I like there’s so there’s so many interesting things like concepts and, yeah, I mean the it’s. I can’t remember where I came up with the inspiration for that one, but I think I saw it somewhere and I’m like, oh my god, like that’s that makes so much sense. And then, yeah, just trying to make a video that like just engages people and makes it I was talking to someone who, to your like the connecting the dots, to me, that’s like, if I can be the guy that like just makes it so, just so simple, stupid, like what I’ve found the feedback I’ve gotten is, like, you know, you could watch Seven different videos and everyone’s kind of trying to say the same thing, and then, like my videos just so stupid and simple, like they’re like, oh, like, now it all makes sense, like I, I, I love being, you know, the, the video that kind of helps Just simplify. It’s like I want a five-year-old to be able to watch it and be in, like, be able to hum along, do it, but also, have you know, have him or her be able to understand it. And so I think for, like, the older you get, we want to in that, you know, we want to intellectualize everything, which it’s fun.

It’s fun to think about things, it’s fun to Really dive deep into something you know it’s not any good for performance. It’s terrible for performance. The more you know, almost the worse right. So it’s like that’s how my brain thinks. Like I love just like I’m reading the science of the golf, so I guess I’ve been reading now for like three years trying to make sense of it. But like all that you know the kinetics of applying force to the handle of a club, and like angular momentum and like what you know, you apply a force, you’ve got to torque it through, and like all you know, kind of. So it’s that’s. That’s why I’m definitely not the best golfer, but it’s fun.

That’s what allows me, you know I’m I’m passionate about the teaching aspect though, and I’m not trying to play a tour, but it allows I think it allows that the simplicity to kind of shine through, which initially, when I was starting with everything, I Couldn’t believe how hard it was to Really to portray something simple. Like I remember the hitting record. Like you know, the first year I started doing this head of the back of the range press record with no thought, really was like, okay, I’m just gonna like talk about some golf stuff and shouldn’t be that hard. I should be able to say something relatively simple and I would, you know, just mumbling over my words for a month and I was like why I really need to, you know, figure out how to communicate.

So I started kind of thinking about concepts and I would I’d you know I’d be in the shower, kind of going over like how can I erase every word from what I’m about to say? That doesn’t need to Be there? And since you turn it in like a short little poem, so that when I get there and I hit record, like I know exactly what I’m gonna say and and now it’s kind of like there’s, you know, instead of that being a, a 30-second little sentence, and you know, now it’s a song and so that’s, the song is already recorded. So now I go out and I hit record and I’ve got to look like a complete idiot, idiot on the golf course. I’m about to go out today, just like, oh god, like where can I, where is the quietest place on the course, or no one can see me? Just look like a complete clown. What I might do today, actually set up a phone and record myself recording just to show everyone how big an idiot I look like.

But that’s a you know.

0:33:09 – Jeff Pelizzaro
I was just thinking that’s a great idea. Have you ever seen that account? It’s called influencers in the wild and it’s basically just yes, I have. It’s incredible, it’s the account of other people posting videos. So yeah, it almost be like somebody posting a video of this is what Jake really looks like before it’s all produced and.

0:33:25 – Jake Hutt
That would be. I’m definitely gonna do that. I love it.

0:33:29 – Jeff Pelizzaro
I love it. I’m glad that that was spawned right here. Yeah, I mean, with your songs it’s like sometimes you know you’ll, you’ll give a tip or whatever, and then it just kind of rings in your head too. So when you’re standing on the driving range it you remember it because it’s catchy and it’s and it’s quick and simple, and that’s that’s been very helpful sometimes.

0:33:50 – Jake Hutt
That’s great. Yeah, I mean like what I mean I think every golfer is as Shared the sentiment is like the second you step on the golf course, like that environment is just like it’s pure stress. They not feel like it, but there’s not a whole lot of space up here left for like any conscious thought or any thought period, right. So like on the range even, like you know you have your notes and your scroll and it’s like okay, you’re taking your time, you got your headphones in, you’re chilling, whatever, let’s elbow in whatever, I’m gonna try and twist the feet or whatever. Like when you go the golf course.

It’s like it may be like you, all you, there’s room for three words, right, and like those words have to have some, some meaning to it. So, like having some sort of a, you know, even a little melody, or even just a, I think a, a visual in your head of whatever mixed with a word and a melody. It seems to be Maybe a little bit more memorable and maybe able to recall it a little bit easier, with less effort to recall whatever that is. So, yeah, I mean it’s hard for me to know. So it’s always fun hearing Other people and how they experience it because I just live in my head. You know those songs are everywhere. I don’t yeah, so anyways, that’s it’s. It’s it’s cool to hear it, yeah.

0:35:10 – Jeff Pelizzaro
I love it, my, my son. I told him that I Was like, yeah, have you ever heard of Jake how he’s like, yeah, I’m like, oh, I’m having him on the show? He’s like, no way, I’m like, yeah, I actually had him on a couple years ago, if you kind of paid attention to what your dad does at all. No, he didn’t what’s his name? Sam.

0:35:28 – Jake Hutt
Sam, sam what’s up. Sam Tomas, say what’s up.

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So when, when you’re dealing with your students and everything, you’ve obviously seen a bunch of a bunch of golfers. You still work with golfers all the time. I’m sure that they they help drive a lot of this thought process. For the content, what are some of the the biggest things that you see Golfers making? What are some of the biggest mistakes? Like you know that most amateurs could benefit from a couple little tips on. You know this or that?

0:36:46 – Jake Hutt
Yeah, I mean the biggest one, I’d say in the last. Like teaching with with track man over the last really three years. Like I spent the first you know six years with with no tech. Shockingly, stanford, really nothing there You’re just, you’re on a grass range, right and you’re you’re trying to figure it out.

What most people don’t understand is just how simple, like if you want the ball to end up in the middle is a bunch of different ways to do it right. So it’s like Do you know where your pad? You know where your what, where your path is? Do you know if you’re swinging out to in or end out and Do you know where your face is in relation to that? Like those two things. Like if you understand path and face, like you can get the ball to go where you want it really fast without having to change anything crazy about your swing.

Most people’s path is very consistent. So I you know, like every lesson I give them, for the most part you come in, you know, give me 10, 15 swings with your six iron after your warm and we’re gonna go through. You know we’re gonna go through your path and the number is always wildly consistent. You know within a couple degrees. But you’re either swinging out to in, into out, or you’re pretty neutral and that’s gonna dictate your ball flight and what you need to feel with your face. So you know I’ll put the numbers up on the screen. It’s like all right, you’re swinging a little bit out to in. Everyone’s like oh no, no, it’s fine, you’re just gonna. We just want you to play a little pole fade, right, so You’re don’t need to think about your backswing, you don’t need to think about your downswing. But we need to figure out is what you need to feel to get your face in the right place, right, so you want your face halfway in between the target in the path. Here’s the numbers. Let’s mess around with it. So, like for me, I always just overdo everything. Like over, close the face, under, close the face. If you can do both those things, you know both those things then you can find the middle May take you 20 shots or 30 shots, but ultimately, like that’s what we’re looking at. I’m looking at path face low point where the club bottoms out with an iron. You want the club to bottom out after driver before and then impact location. Right, and so teaching students the power of intent, like everyone.

I was doing online lessons for a long time and then I don’t really do those anymore because without like, if you don’t have an understanding of impact, then you get the most beautiful swing in the world, like your ball’s still not gonna go where you want, right, like. So for the average golfer, the person who’s practicing once a week, it’s like. I’m not gonna change your golf swing. Like I went through that took me 10 years to come out on the other side playing horrendous golf, practicing for hours. You know every day and like I know what that looks like. It’s awful, it’s, and sometimes you don’t come out on the other side, right? You hear plenty of stories of golfers who make it to the highest level and they go to make a movement pattern change and then they’re you know. You never hear from them again not always the case. But so I’m varied Like.

I look at golf as like, as a. It’s a skill acquisition. You’re trying to skill acquisition. How do you acquire a skill? How do you get better at like? To me, it’s just. Can you get the club to hit the ground in the right place, hit the club face in the right place and then match path and face Like that’s, that’s it.

And like I had a student come in the other day and like he was hooking it. He was beautiful golf swing, everything was awesome. He’s sitting the middle of the face. He’s sitting the ground in the right place. His path is a little from the inside. He thought he was swinging away from the outside. He’s thinking he’s like am I supposed to do this or that? Am I? I should be getting some width. And like all these it’s like dude, you’re just closing the face too much. So like I was like just try and hit the biggest slice ever. And he hits a perfect little draw. And I’m like do that again. And he does it again Perfect little draw, perfect little draw. And he’s like so all I have to do is close the face less. And I’m like correct. And he’s like so what am I doing here? I’m like I don’t know, what are you doing here. Let’s pull out your driver and see that he had some issues with the driver.

But like that’s what a lot of the lessons look like is really just like okay, here’s what you’re doing, here’s what you’re doing good. Everyone’s already doing something good, whether it’s hitting the ground in the right place or whatever. And then it’s just you know, it’s just dialing it in and then it’s getting them to understand, like I was listening to Cameron McCormick, space coach, he’s like the magic is in the feedback. So you know he’s got track man up and he’s like, with the you can go out to the range and you can, you know, mess around whatever without the feedback. That’s great, but the magic is in the feedback. It’s knowing exactly where you’re hitting the ground, exactly where your face is. Is it one degree close at two degrees open, being able to feel those tiny little things. Like Bubba can feel an extra wrap of tape around his grip, right, like being just so acutely aware of these tiny things.

So that’s really what golf is is when you go down the route of thinking about these, you know where your club is and what your arm is doing. Like certainly that’s there’s a time and a place for it. But I would argue that if you’re practicing once a week, probably not a great path to go down. So I like, for me it’s. I feel like I’ve probably hurt way more golfers than needed just because you need something to say online. Like you, just you can’t. You know, like you can’t, just say, like all you got to do is play around with the face, like this shot. It’s a little close, cause you know you can’t see ball flight from the video. They’re just sending you one tiny, you know, a swing and a sample size of eight billion. It’s like. So I just that’s kind of how I look at it.

It’s like this really four things and then to get good at. You know, the next question always is like okay, well, I did it once out of 20 times. How do I get more consistent? It’s like you get come back here when I’m not here and put the work in right. Yeah, maybe you start. Maybe you start with one set. You start with a seven iron. You get really good at seven iron. Maybe the first session you do you get one out of 40, right, where you get impact location, low point, path and face right. Then you come back and maybe you get five right. Then you come back. You know, instead of once a week, now you’re practicing three times a week and now you get to the point where you’re. You know 20 out of 20 are pretty darn good.

Then you start adding. You know, let’s go from seven iron to nine iron to driver, driver, we got a. You know, now you’re shifting low point a little bit further back. So you’re hitting further up, shift low point back. Now your path is changing. So you do understand swing direction, low point path, those things.

So that’s like that’s kind of how how I, without getting too deep into you know the numbers is just is practicing with good feedback and every student is, you know you’re on track, man, maybe I I might just pull up face angle, close the face, open the face. Could you feel that was seven degrees closed. That feel like I’ll take away all the data and say, all right, hit a shot. What did you feel? They’ll say? I guess a number, all right. Negative three. You know faces. You know positive nine, not even close, like all right, so you can’t tell the difference between closed and open. Let’s try again. And you do it again, make that number bigger. What do you feel?

You know on and on and on and on and you work with someone for you know long enough with that feedback and every single one of them get better. It’s like it’s not a mystery anymore, like what makes the Paul curve this way or curve that way? We know everything right. It’s just it’s like it’s it’s hammering in their head Like this is a skill, sport skill. Trump’s technique 10 days out of 10, like. But are you willing to put the work in? Most people aren’t and they don’t really know what that process looks like and how long and frustrating it is, and that’s a key too.

0:44:03 – Jeff Pelizzaro
You know, I would say that the majority of the regular golfers out there you were talking about practicing once a week I would venture to say that a lot of them don’t even practice once a week. They go play once a week Maybe. Maybe play twice a week, which is fine, and I mean, if that’s what you want to do too, but you have to manage your expectations there, right. We have a net here in the gym and I’m totally guilty of just going and banging balls in the net just for the sake of repetition. And just recently I got one of the new Rapsodo, the MLM 2 Pro, and fired it up for the first time. And it’s really amazing when you don’t have feedback all the time. I would hit a ball and was like that felt really good or that you know, kind of thinking what I thought the ball did. And then you look at the feedback and it’s like, no, that’s not really what was happening there and it’s like, oh, so me just being down here banging balls, which I still will continue to do, but you know.

0:45:02 – Jake Hutt
Sure, it feels great. Just find the middle of the base and you know. Whatever, who cares?

0:45:06 – Jeff Pelizzaro
But to your point, like you don’t really know what’s happening unless you’re seeing it, unless you’re seeing those stats, and you know, and you have to be willing to go out and put in some work and do what your coach tells you or find out what you need to do from your coach, Totally right.

0:45:21 – Jake Hutt
Yeah, I mean I’ve just had, I’ve just found it so fascinating just playing around with the numbers and trying to gamify it, like I was reading some study about trying to find. It was like players trying to hit a wedge a certain distance, because a wedge is ultimately to field shot. It’s not just like your seven iron full swing is going to go on a good one, you know whatever. 165, 170 yards, like you got to find what 50 yards is, whether you’re using a clock system or you know whatever, it’s just a field. So you know, the study was like the students found how to hit 50 yards or 70 yards or whatever it was, by first they’re trying to hit one long, trying to hit the next one short and then finding somewhere in between right. So it’s like pulling up, you know face angle, just messing around. It’s like be a kid, like pull up face angle and try and spray. You know, give me 10 open, give me 10 closed. Give me 7 open, give me 7 closed, you know. And from there it’s just like it’s so much easier to find middle. Give me a super out to in swing. Give me 10 left. Give me 10 right. Give me 7 left, give me 7 right, let’s see if we can find 0.

Hit the toe, hit the heel, hit everywhere, but the middle, like Adam Young, the practice manual, the first book, really that like I was like wow, this is just, this makes so much sense. Like give someone a task and then they will let the body self-organize the movement to create the outcome. And Frans Bosch, too, like super interesting stuff. Like have you heard the name Frans Bosch? What’s the famous? He’s got this training. But he’s this. He’s a Scandinavian. I want to say like the Netherlands or something somewhere over there, dutch, whatever he works with, like the Dutch national baseball team and rugby and team sports, and like I don’t know how the book came out a while ago so I don’t know how up to date it is, but like one of the things that he would have students do Is it the anatomy of agility.

0:47:17 – Jeff Pelizzaro
Is that the name of the book?

0:47:18 – Jake Hutt
That’s probably one of them he’s got there’s one. It’s a light blue cover. I understood maybe like a tenth of it, as a lot of it is pretty complex. But like if he was trying to get someone to like in the let’s say he’s like training baseball, trying to get someone to like put more pressure on their front leg. Like he was just all about like never telling, never using verbal cues for anything, finding ways to get them to do something without telling them how to do it right. So like he would like fatigue their trail leg. He’d have them do like one-legged squats on their right leg and then have them hit a ball and then like, look at what they’re doing with their pressure right. So like I thought that was just the coolest, most brilliant thing.

As, like you know, I kind of went down the route of of like you’ve got your, you know your verbal cues versus like how these conscious thoughts are like weakly strung together, things that the brain just will never, it won’t ever work under pressure. Versus like I forget all the terminology. I was, I was, I had it all down a couple of years ago but, like you know, you want to get someone to hit it low. You can tell them lean the handle forward, lower the dynamic loft, you know. Flex your lead risk, make sure your trail risk is extended and impact all these things, all these verbal cues, that ultimately just there’s no context, there’s no meaning. So under pressure falls apart every time. That’s why everyone sucks at golf. Versus the other way is like get someone under a tree, have them hit the ball under a tree, right, they don’t know what they’re doing, they have no clue how they’re doing it. You’re going to find faster results by telling someone how to do it initially. So, like you know, in an hour or less or whatever, if you’re trying to get someone to do, you know, maybe hit one shot good, like you can tell them all the things, which is you know, whatever you’ll, they’ll be happy, but it’ll never work under pressure Versus the other students. Like you get them.

It was like Harvey Penaq style, right? Like Harvey Penaq, all his stuff was just so stupid simple. You charge a nickel for a lesson someone’s hitting, like how I would look at it now. They’re hitting too much ground, they’re hitting everything fat, right? He’d just say right, go, brush leaves off of your grass for a week and come back, give me a nickel your lessons over, like that’s it. And you know, like, I just thought it was so brilliant, like, but what you know what he’s teaching? Like, the deeper I looked into it and the more down all these rabbit holes you know I went down. It’s like for something really to show up.

Under pressure, you can’t really know what you’re doing, right, and that’s why, like, good players are shitty teachers because they have no clue what they’re doing. And that’s, that’s a good. That’s good If you want to play really good golf. Like you can’t know what you’re doing, some people are just blessed with it, right, they’re just they. I was talking to my friend, drew Cooper. I don’t know if you follow him, he hits it a billion yards.

He was out playing, I mean just coolest guy ever and just such a knowledgeable, awesome guy. But he was talking, he was playing with this guy recently in Arizona tour pro Can’t remember his name who he said was the most impressive ball striker he’s ever played with. And you know he was picking his brain like what’s he, what’s he working on, and like where did he learn? And the guy was just like, yeah, I kind of picked up a club, but I was young and like I guess I had a pretty good swing. And you know, I’m kind of just, you know just kind of doing this, just saying you know, pretty much saying nothing, like I kind of just feel this and like literally just think.

You know, drew said he went out and shot like 63 or whatever and every shot he hit he was mad at, didn’t? You know? Everything was inside 20 feet. You know like five burry looks inside four feet and he was like that’s a whole nother world but he’s like you know, that guy has no idea what he’s doing and that is why he’s able to play so good under pressure and that’s just. It’s like it’s crazy, it’s crazy and like here, you know, here we all are trying to master the swing and it’s just like it’s. It’s a crazy.

0:51:01 – Jeff Pelizzaro
Trying to try to like make it so complex when you know I mean, obviously you came up from the hockey background.

I mean you never had those kind of thoughts when you’re out in the ice or for me, out on the soccer field or playing baseball, and I always think back to you know you’re talking about the different degrees for the wedge and you know that little system or how to feel it out or whatever. It’s like you never thought about any kind of a system for throwing a ball to, to the shortstop versus second base or to, you know, down to home from the outfield. It’s like you just kind of figured it out. You didn’t have a. I got to put my hand 30 degrees back and then I got to. I got to throw it from this angle and come out to end. It’s like no, you just you did it so many times that you felt it and you learned how to do it. And that’s what I see with the guys that that I know personally, that have played forever. It’s like they can just go out and they can just sling it, but it’s because they’ve done it a million times.

0:51:56 – Jake Hutt
Yeah, since they were a kid, and you know some people are, are blessed to have just fit. Just, they figure it out really early and their mechanics are, you know they’re, they’re good, they’re good enough. And then you just, yeah, you just you do it enough. And then before you know it, you have just no clue, Like that’s. You know, you’re like I don’t use my hands in a golf swing. So like you tell a beginner like they’re, like, oh, someone told me not to use my hands.

Like I had a guy come in the other day. He’s like he’s been playing for four months and he’d been to a couple instructors and you know he was told like he had a couple of shots. And I’m like I’m trying to figure out, like what information was this guy told? And like, cause, like they just make it some really we do some really weird things. And then we started getting into it and like his concept of a golf swing was like for, like you know, for an elite player, it’s a great field. It’s like I’m just going to rotate and I’m not going to use my hands. You’ve never learned like you’re going to better use your arms. You better use your hands. You bet you have to learn how to clothe. You got to learn all these things.

So just it’s so interesting how like and I think, yeah, like it’s just it’s interesting as a newer golfer, I think there’s like certain fundamentals that just are so different than you know, than than an elite golfer, and like what you have to think of is just is so different than once you know, once you get to this point, once you’ve learned all these things. So it’s like I’m always fascinated teaching someone who’s just started, just started. Teaching this guy who played pro basketball. You know he picked up the game like six months ago, absolutely obsessed with it, and so it’s just like having a.

It’s always really fun having a good athlete who has no idea what they’re doing and you get to, like you know, form them and and instill different concepts and have them watch you and you exaggerate different things and like it’s it’s just it’s just so fun teaching someone how to play and just seeing like pure joy on their face when they hit one like he, he won like three hundred and nine yards yesterday and like just went absolutely nuts. He’s out there playing today. Like it’s just, it’s such a, it’s just so fun.

0:54:02 – Jeff Pelizzaro
I was going to ask you just you know, like with your hockey background, obviously hockey players tend to be pretty good golfers. You know the a lot of the pros that end up going and playing a lot of golf. They tend to smash a ball a mile. Um, working with some different athletes I’m sure you’ve worked with with several Um have you found that one type of athlete is a little more prone to to playing better golf, like hockey, baseball? I’ve seen some some basketball players, golf swings, and they’re not always all that great. But just wonder if you’ve come across any specific sports that you think have really kind of carried over, or is it more person to person?

0:54:38 – Jake Hutt
You know. I mean like obviously you’ve got Steph Curry incredible, um, he’s been playing since he was young and what’s interesting too is, uh, I can’t remember what I was talking to another basketball player, uh, who was? Uh, it was Damien Lee. Um, I gave him a few less. We actually pulled the dry box up right in front of his house. He’s like I have no issue with short game or putting shooters. Like our hands are awesome, touch, feel like I can. He pulls down there, ball breaks left to right, like I’ve got touch all day. You know what I mean? Like the layups that, um, and I can’t remember who said it, but it was like or where I heard it was like the. The golf swing is the culmination of everything you’ve done up until that point. Right, like it’s just a blend of everything.

Um, and so baseball pitchers are awesome. They’re like I mean the trail arm, the external rotation, the separation, the slamming the lead foot into the ground, the deceleration, the rotation, like they’re just like to me, the most insane. Like what they do with their body to create to get that ball moving as fast as it does is like the sickest thing ever. Um, then you get a golf club in their hand. It’s just like whoa. Hockey players are like a very different. They create speed very differently. Like you have to have really strong forearms and hands and wrists. And so what I’ve learned along the way is like wrist grip strength plays a massive role in speed, being able to, um, like I, like drew has his next gear golf. So I went through I was like one of their guinea pigs going through like three months of uh of of their protocols, and there’s a lot of like wrist strength stuff, like kind of taking your hands, like like in pushup position, going here, going there, going there and talking to him about it too, like he had like a wrist injury. Like when you’re whipping that club around your body, you’re slowing it. You have to slow it down and then speed it up again. There’s so much force that goes into your wrist and like your brain knows what your body can handle and not. So if you don’t have the forearm strength, the hand strength, the grip strength, all that, like you’re not going to be able to generate nearly enough, nearly as much speed as the next person. And you wouldn’t be able to see it with your eyes either, like you can’t see that force. Uh, and it’s the same thing with using the ground too. Like you look at Drew’s swing and it’s like wow, it looks like he, you know, it looks like he was going at that a little bit. And you look at the club speed, it’s like 150 miles an hour and you just carry it at 380. You’re like whoa, um, and then you look at how much force he’s producing at the ground, how hard he’s pushing, um, and it’s just like it’s crazy.

So, like hockey players, you know really short swings, but we’re able to again really strong forms, strong hands and then being able to dissociate on land. You know when you’re, when you’re taking a slap shot. Like you, you’re on a blade, yeah, so you really have to be good at like that lead ankle. Your ankles are really really strong, and then everyone knows how to create separation. You’re, you’re able to rotate the hips crazy open while keeping your chest closed, um, and then what’s interesting, like how we uh, every hockey player hits it really low and left. Why? Because the the a slap shot, the face is pointing down and you’re flexing the stick and that’s just like we’ve been making that motion forever. So like you pick up a golf club and every hockey player, for the most part, is going to battle a big old snap, hook, right, right, like um, and then, yeah, you’ve got.

Like the football players are usually really rigid because if they’re not, then they’re going to, they’re not going to make it, they’re going to get their head knocked off, right, they’re going to be injured after one play. So rotation and dissociation is usually really really difficult for them. So they have a hard time creating speed. Um, like, that’s kind of another thing. Like in hockey, like you also do have to have a level of rigidity so that, like when you get smashed, like you don’t fall apart.

So like for me once hockey was over, is I, I I got away from a lot of weight lifting and just like I was, like I just my body needed to become a little softer so it could move and rotate a little bit more and become a little spongier and um, I don’t know how in like. That was just kind of my feel. I know there’s a lot of great research out there now that obviously like, if you lift in the right way and keep mobility up, lifting is obviously great, but it is just so fascinating looking at all the different athletes and who’s good, who’s not and all the different patterns that go into it. Like I don’t know if you saw what’s his name Nadal’s golf swing like, exactly like is Like like his forehand tennis shot, like it’s literally like his backswing goes to about here, but it looks exactly like how he hits a tennis ball. It’s the craziest thing.

0:59:35 – Jeff Pelizzaro
I’m looking that up as soon as we get off. It’s so cool, I think you know. You mentioned, like just the different types of athletes. It’s very true, like the, the football players, and we even had dr Stuart McGill on here talking about he’s a spine expert.

Sorry, doctor and you, his stuff is awesome, yeah, and he, you know, talks about how, if you’re playing you know sports like that you need to lift heavy and build rigidity in your spine, but if you’re a golf, you need that elasticity and you need to be able to move, and so everything that you just said like about the Pictures and and the hockey players almost being a little bit of a cross between the two makes it a ton of sense. And as to why, you know, for For some guys, like the football players, if they’re getting into the golf world, they need to do a little bit more like what you did and that’s, you know, work on. You got to be able to move and rotate and try to regain some of that, and in other sports you might have to to build up a little bit more strength and resilience and rigidity, because you’ve gone the other way. That’s a great point.

1:00:32 – Jake Hutt
Yeah, it’s, it’s. It’s so fun to just get into all that stuff I was talking to drew to about, like because he’s got a background in exercise science and so like, it’s just so fun to talks about the Like you’ve got. You can do an extra, you can. You can lift really heavy and slower and then you can obviously lift lighter and faster and so kind of like Looking at what every person needs, do you need which do you need more of? To kind of find that like, is it? You know so many people that are into speed now, which is so cool? Just the long drive thing, which I’m also kind of surprised hasn’t taken off as much over the years, but it’s, it’s, yeah, it’s so cool seeing, like, all the, all the different types of athletes that are getting into the long drive stuff and that are out there just to hit the ball as far as humanly possible. That’s said. Said what L guy, the double pump guy? I don’t have seen him, oh.

1:01:24 – Jeff Pelizzaro
I mean just crazy speed, ball speed, it’s, it’s like we like 160 now. And now your, your boy, drew, though like watching him, he’s just got a beautiful golf swing and then it’s just that, to see how far the ball is going, how fast that club that you’re like, really it didn’t look like he put that much effort into it and it’s just just smashed. It’s awesome.

1:01:49 – Jake Hutt
He would be an awesome guy to have on the podcast. You guys would have an awesome talk and he’s just the coolest dude ever.

1:01:56 – Jeff Pelizzaro
I would love to have him on.

1:01:57 – Jake Hutt
I’m happy to connect to you guys too. Yeah, as he can go into all of it like he’s just got. He grew up playing and but he’s got all the background of like. What I love about picking his brain is like so much information that I’ve kind of found along the way like which is awesome, like you’ve got it like kind of the old-school guys, which is all like what do they feel, which I think is very valuable, like insanely valuable, but is also kind of fleeting, it’s not really what’s happening.

And I still feel like there’s like in the golf world, like everyone looks at golf like this like mysterious, like magical thing, that like it’s it’s not a sport, it’s like it’s it’s living in its this own world over here of like make believe, like whatever it’s like, but in reality it’s like it’s just like anything else. It’s like it’s a physical movement. That like there are laws that govern these things rotation, torque, and how to, how to create and do these things right that like it’s just it’s yeah, it’s just really cool Picking someone’s brain who kind of has the like both of those the golf skill, but also the knowledge of like the gnarly exercise science stuff that I know little about, always learning and then in being able to also execute it and then talk about all that’s anyways.

1:03:14 – Jeff Pelizzaro
Great guy. Yeah, that’s what’s fascinating. He then, he then does it out there on the course you can. You can see him.

1:03:20 – Jake Hutt
You can see him putting it all into action, right, it’s yep. Yeah, it does it really really well too, and it’s fun to watch.

1:03:26 – Jeff Pelizzaro
All right, man, just a couple questions to finish this out here. I know last time we had you on we asked you all of our kind of typical ones, so I got a couple random ones that came from some of our crew. First one is what does Jake Hutt listen to most out on the golf course? I assume you’re a music on the course kind of guy. Oh, yeah, and absolutely, and if so, who are some of the artists that you’ve listened to the most recently? Oh, man.

1:03:50 – Jake Hutt
I mean, I love soul hip-hop. I’ll also I mean the the. The boring answer is everything I’ll say, like my fate if it’s like a Not sunny summer day outside like I love. I don’t even know if I’m saying this right. Crew nga bin. Have you heard? A crew nga bin?

1:04:10 – Jeff Pelizzaro

1:04:10 – Jake Hutt
I don’t even know how to spell it. There’s like 8,000 letters in this, in this band. But it’s like it’s like vibey stoner hippie music. It’s kind of like got some country vibes. It’s like it’s just, it’s so relaxing. I that’s like Some of my, some of a fun outlandish one that if you’ve never heard of it, super there, they’re awesome.

1:04:30 – Jeff Pelizzaro
All right, we’ll figure out how to spell that. We’ll throw that one in the show. All right, I want Jake Hutt to define the word dusty.

1:04:39 – Jake Hutt
Oh, dusty, god. It can mean absolutely anything. It can be good, it can be bad, it’s all about. It’s kind of like I was just watching what’s that movie? Good, donnie Brasco and they’re in in Johnny Depp is trying to define forget about it, yeah Right, when, like, he puts it into all these, like he’s like it can forget about. It can be this, and then different tone can be that. It can also be this, it can also be that. So, like it started out, I mean, it does these.

It’s a hockey term, right, dusty is like a. It’s been used forever. I definitely didn’t make it up. Dusty is like. I Guess that the technical dusty word, which is an word at all, is just means like it, it’s bad, it sucks. Like that Person that, like that sticker, that pair look at how dusty that is. Like it’s just, it’s not good, but it’s evolved. It’s evolved like the podcast, that, that that I did. It’s just. It’s taken on so many forms. It can mean anything, just about how you use it, the tone you use. This. I’m learning so many new words with my son being in high school.

1:05:49 – Jeff Pelizzaro
There’s so much new that and it the greatest thing in the world is if you’re, if you ever become a parent all the, all the dads and moms listening Will appreciate this is learning the new words and then purposefully using them incorrectly in front of your kids, especially at the dinner table. I it just it. I mean it just grinds their brains, I mean it just grinds their teeth. You know it’s, it’s one of the things I live for these days.

1:06:14 – Jake Hutt
That’s awesome. What’s what’s one of the words coming up now I heard like Riz is Riz one. Riz is one. Yeah, what is that?

1:06:21 – Jeff Pelizzaro
one. It kind of me. I think it comes from charisma, you know, like that guy’s got Riz, okay, yeah, and real creative with it. Yeah, what’s another one? I still don’t totally understand this one. But cap and no cap, like no cap means like I’m not lying or like.

1:06:41 – Jake Hutt
It’s like exclamation point, isn’t it kind of like? It’s like, I guess so I don’t know.

1:06:45 – Jeff Pelizzaro
No, we’ll have Sam, we’ll have Sam define all these. But yeah, there’s oh yeah and then sus, of course, is is one.

1:06:53 – Jake Hutt
Oh sus, yeah, yeah, I remember hearing that one for the first time. Yeah, that’s like, and I’m old. Yeah, exactly, well, imagine having a teenage kid.

1:07:01 – Jeff Pelizzaro
That’s how you end up feeling. All right, last one here what’s what’s the sickest course that you’ve played this year? And then what’s one course maybe off the radar course, that that you want to get to?

1:07:13 – Jake Hutt
Let’s see my, I mean Lake Merced just got redone out here In San Francisco and I absolutely love that golf course. That. That’s been my favorite one this year, definitely. And then let’s see pretty I mean pretty standard Rotation out here. I don’t, when I travel I don’t get to play a whole lot of golf like I. I’m like the least traveled golfer ever. I haven’t played in very many states. I’ve played all the courses here in California.

So, karik, chuck, karika, karika, there’s north and south Public golf course, australian sand belt style golf. You know lots of hit like not not the prettiest Course ever, but it’s just a different style course out here. And they have they didn’t finish the back nine of the north course, so just nine holes and you can only walk and it’s just like kind of. It’s just a like a fun vibe out here. You know most courses out here, lots of trees, this is just kind of a fun. This is just kind of a fun. We just go and you just walk around and like there aren’t any carts out there. You just got kind of vibe to it. So I’ll say Karika, north, I Could say Stanford, I mean please, stanford is is a great kind of hidden gem out here that I don’t think a lot of people have played or maybe even heard about or know about, like on the higher end. Stanford is incredible. It’s an incredible shape. They hired the superintendent from the course they play. That Used to be the safe way open. Now it’s the Some security Fortnet.

Oh yeah, I think the first turn of the year. So they hired that superintendent. He just like the, the course, just in immaculate condition, so that maybe one let flies a little bit more into the radar. Awesome course. So maybe those, those three.

1:08:57 – Jeff Pelizzaro
Sweet, and is there a place that’s on your list? If you do get a chance to travel, like, say, say, we had the 18STRONG jet Fuelled up ready to go, where’s Jake going?

1:09:07 – Jake Hutt
God, I like I I probably wouldn’t go for any of the obvious ones like there’s you get like Pine Valley sounds pretty cool, that’s I feel like that’s an obvious one too. And like I don’t care about playing Augusta that’s too too obvious. I love like Tory on a nice day is just like the most beautiful place ever. It’s got a relaxing vibe like Maybe you don’t have to wear a collared shirt out there. Honestly, I don’t know. Maybe somewhere in Hawaii I’ve got a good friend of mine who’s a pro out there in Hawaii at Koalina, and he keeps telling me about these insane courses I’ve never heard of. So I might just fly over there, meet up with him and just have him take me to one of those courses, whichever ones those are. I’m not like a massive like course architect nerd. So, like I said, I still have some learn to do on that end. So I’m just gonna go to Hawaii and I’ll figure out somewhere fun to play out there, wherever that is.

1:10:01 – Jeff Pelizzaro
I can’t imagine many prettier views than awful one of those islands that’s.

1:10:05 – Jake Hutt
I know right.

1:10:06 – Jeff Pelizzaro
Special, awesome. All right, man. Well, thank you so much for taking the time to come on. It’s always great hanging with you and I know you’re gonna continue putting out a ton of content. Hopefully we’ll be seeing a drive box here in St Louis one of these days and yes, you know, I will for sure. I will for sure, man. Thanks again for coming on and we’ll talk to you soon, absolutely Thanks so much for having me.

1:10:29 – Jake Hutt
This was a blast. Happy to do anytime if there’s anything I do to help.

1:10:37 – Jeff Pelizzaro
All right. Thanks for joining us this week on the 18STRONG podcast with Jake Hutt. If you want any more information on Jake or drive box, or you’re looking to maybe franchise one of those drive boxes, just go to 18STRONG calm. This is episode number 352. We’ll have all the information there in the show notes, so check up again with us. Next week We’ll have another great guest. Train hard, practice smart and play better golf.

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